Liz Talks Podcast, Episode 19: Liz’s dental/oral care routine; ozone; and Liz’s Biohacker Alter-Ego

Liz talks how she cares for her mouth (a routine she does 26% of the time, all the time), using ozone for dental health, and a possible name for her biohacker alter-ego.

Mentions: Calcium Nanohydroxyapatite vs. Fluoride Toothpaste, Ozone Treatments, Red Light Therapy, Orawellness, Bass Brushing

TRANSCRIPT

Liz Talks 

This is episode 19, topic: Dental and oral care routine, ozone, and Liz’s alter ego. 

In case you missed it, in episode 18 I had the opportunity to put Dr. Axe on the spot and ask him a few questions about his new book, which included what I thought was an interesting hat switch, where I got to pull from some of my background in religion. Always interesting when I get to draw from my experiences at a Christian boarding school. 

Today, I talk about how I care about my mouth; a routine I do 26% of the time all the time, using ozone and my biohacker alter ego, who I have not named yet, so I’m open to suggestions. 

Before I begin, I want to quickly thank Arrowhead Mills for their generous sponsorship of this podcast. Next time you go to the store, I’d love to have you support a company that supports my work and look for Arrowhead Mills products. You can also find them on Vitacost.com. I just got a shipment of more of their buttermilk and gluten free pancake mixes; yellow cornmeal, because I love cornbread; and lentils, which I’d like to use to make some kitchari, which I had for the first time just a couple of weeks ago and loved it. So we’ll see how that goes. 

Ok. Let’s dive into today’s podcast. This will be episode one of two about dental health; possibly more, you never know. Because some time in the next week or two, I’d be interviewing Dr. Blodget of Blodget Dental Care in Portland, Oregon. He’ll be in Kansas City, so it’s going to be a great face to face interview. Those are always best, when you’ve got somebody right in front of you. 

Now, Dr. Blodget’s team did my root canal extraction several years ago. I traveled to their clinic, because I’d heard they were literally the best in the country. And I got such great, holistic yet cutting edge care from them. Sometimes we think of holistic as crunchy, and not so much cutting edge. But really, I guess the word would be integrative. We’ve got that holistic in there, and yet they also have a ton of really cutting edge care that they provide to their people. So I had a really good experience.

Now, with the pandemic and then with getting pregnant for the second time, I did not plan properly for stage two of the process. Which was to decide and move forward with a plan with what to do with the toothless space. The area of the extraction. So I’m a little delayed on that. And I would certainly say to anyone looking to do something as; I guess you could say extreme as an extraction. Make a plan for what you’re going to do with the space; the empty space. There’s no right answer for everyone. Not everyone will want to do an implant; it just kind of depends. But there is a right answer for you.

So obviously, my situation was a little unique. Nobody expects a global pandemic. Well, mostly nobody. But again, having a plan for the full process, not just the extraction, is key. I would go in willing to be flexible and see what happens after your extraction. But at the same time, have a plan in mind and something planned for, so you’ve at least got something on the books. Because we’re at least, I think, three years out from my extraction and I’ve still got this gaping hole in my mouth, taking out molar, I think, number 19. So I’ve got to figure that out. And I kind of wish I had something on the books in the first place. 

That’s that Obliger in me coming out. You know? 

Ok. So I’ll start this by giving; what I’m going to do with this episode is just describe what I do and what I have done to take care of my oral and dental health. And this is from the perspective of someone who is very bad, as I’ve said before, at being accountable to certain processes. So regimens, routines; I’m not great with those. I have a few things I do day to day. But as I’ve said before; it’s kind of not the stage of life for me to have really strict regimens in place. Whether that’s with taking supplements, or skincare, or even taking care of my house and my children. I’m really in a fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants stage. And that’s not always ok. Particularly from the standpoint of something like dental health. Which for me, based on my personal history, is something that I probably actually need to be a lot more accountable and a lot more regimented about. And that’s just the reality for me; that might not be the case for everyone.

So the stage of life I’m in right now might not necessarily be the most health promoting. And I can admit that. I do need to be more accountable to certain things to kind of maximize my health bang for my buck. And I’m working on that. It’s on my mind, for sure. But I need to be better with routines and with regimentation around some of these things. 

So with that said, this is just what I do. It’s what I’ve figured out I can be at least marginally accountable for, as I said before. I do this all the time 26% of the time. But I know I should do it, and I should do it on a daily basis. But that’s not to say it’s going to be enough for you or for what you need. Or maybe it’s going to be too much for you and what you need. And at the same time, there are probably products and services that I am completely clueless about. So, as always, I would love to hear from you. If there’s something I’ve missed. If there’s a product I need to know about. Please let me know. Because I am always; I’m a research nerd. I love looking into things. Can’t say I always end up actually implementing stuff like that, but I love to research it. So definitely always feel free to reach out.

So I’ll begin first of all by giving a little overview of my dental health history. And if I could pick one word to describe that, it would be horrible. My dental health history is horrible. I remember as a little, little kid my baby teeth literally disintegrating in my mouth. I had amalgam fillings in a couple of my baby teeth. By the time I was into high school, I had gotten at least two root canals. Crowns; I mean, you name it. I don’t know if there is, for me, a genetic component or if it’s strictly childhood nutrition. Or, you know, we’ve talked about; and this can be very defeating. But I’ve talked in the past about things like how the health of a mother impacts the health of her baby from the point of gestation. 

So who knows? And honestly at a certain point, you have to stop obsessively trying to find out why, and just start dealing with the reality. So that’s sort of the place I’m in right now. Often times, I like to go; but why did this happen? I want to put together all of these pieces and figure out exactly what happened so I can prevent it from happening again. Sometimes, that’s a very valid way to go through the process of figuring things out. But at this point, I’ve got the teeth that I’ve got. And I have to work with what I have.

So, thinking back on that, I think I’ve just had it bad for a very, very long time. And even so, just sort of the attitude around dental health growing up. I’m 38 years old; I got that wrong a couple of weeks ago. I said I was 37, but I’m definitely 38, almost 39. It just wasn’t something that we thought about having the ability to impact with our actions and our choices. 

So for me, it was like; oh, I have bad teeth. I guess next time I go to the dentist, they’ll probably drill and fill something again. Or they’ll need to do a crown. Or they’ll need to do a root canal. Bummer. But it wasn’t something that I really felt like I had ownership over. 

And then over time; well, I’ll back up a little bit. When I say it wasn’t something I felt like I had ownership over, that even extended to the frequency of simple things like flossing. Most of my life I’ve been a brusher and a sometimes flosser. I genuinely did not know how important flossing was. I just kind of thought; yeah, the dentist says it’s important, but the dentist has to say that. I literally did not know how important flossing was. And I remember watching a local news report, some dentist saying; if you had to choose between flossing and brushing, choose flossing. And I was like; what are you talking about? You’re going to have dirty tooth sweaters all the time; no. Brushing is so much more important. What’s this dentist trying to sell? Ha-ha. Right? 

So I literally just never thought about it. And it wasn’t until I was an adult that I really grasped; wow. You actually have some of this in your hands. It’s good to practice preventative care on your teeth, and not just wait for the next thing the dentist has to bring you in to do. And, you know, be thankful you have dental insurance. You know? 

So it was just kind of a slow realization that maybe this isn’t normal. Or maybe I could do a better job. And maybe it actually does matter. So I think where this all started to really, really open up for me was when I found the work of Weston A. Price, and the Price-Pottinger nutrition foundation. Now, both of these organizations; there is a Weston A. Price foundation, but I’m actually more talking about Weston A. Price, the man, than the organization. But the work of Weston Price; which is also preserved through the Price-Pottinger nutrition foundation, really sort of put on display the way the modern diet can impact the teeth. And how that is probably representative of overall systemic health.

There’s a lot of really interesting stuff around Weston A. Price, and what he discovered. And I want to acknowledge, too, that there are also some issues. Like, this was many, many decades ago. If anyone has seen some of the pictures that came out of Weston A. Price’s research, they’re very old. Sort of black and white. Kind of; I don’t know. Very dated looking photos. But I think one of the things that we have to be straightforward about is the problems. The issues with being a cultural tourist; even in the name of science.

And I tried to address that with Dr. Axe in the previous episode, but I’m not sure we really got there. And you know, when you’re only interviewing somebody for 30 minutes, it’s tough to do that in the first place. But what I mean is that there are certainly issues with the way Dr. Price approached his research with indigenous and traditional cultures. And at the same time, some very good things about what his work revealed about what the modern diet does to previously healthy groups of people. 

But some of what was in his book, Weston A. Price’s book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, was incredibly eye opening. At the same time, caused a little bit of discomfort for me. Just the way this white scientist went into indigenous cultures and kind of lined them up to take photographs of their dentition, before and after. And I think it’s important to acknowledge that. 

And this is actually something that kind of translates in other ways, as well. I’ll give you an example. Just this idea of looking at people and looking for what might be wrong with them is sort of problematic to me. I do remember; I have some good colleagues at the Weston A. Price foundation, but something that they put up on their Instagram at one point was literally a picture of a little girl with a sort of narrow palate and some tooth issues. And the caption was related to; look at this kid and all the problems she’s going to have. Look at her problems with her dental arch; this is indicative of malnutrition; yadda-yadda-yadda.

I am just, foundationally, uncomfortable with taking somebody’s image and picking it apart and looking for what’s wrong. I think it’s fine to turn the microscopes on ourselves, but just to kind of put that out there. And wanting to recognize that when we’re looking at images of people, and talking about what might be wrong or what might have happened; we just need to be aware that that’s a human being. And in the case of that little girl; a sweet little girl who had no choice in the matter over what her teeth looked like at 7 years old. 

So anyway. I just felt like I needed to say that.  

But the work of Weston Price was very impactful to me. To realize that not only what we’re doing; brushing and flossing has an impact on our dental health. But also this idea that nutrition has a profound effect on the development of the palate, on how the teeth come in. And things like that. 

Now, we can’t always select for this. I might know these things. I might make sure I eat all the nutrients I possibly can. But my two children; both of them, I’ve said before, have really big teeth and really small mouths. And, so, that’s so hypocritical given what I just said about looking and children and assessing what might be wrong with them. But, there’s nothing wrong with them. I did everything “right” and we’re still going through the process of palate expansion, with my first, with the ALF device; the advanced light force dental appliance. Which I’ll talk about eventually. It’s sort of a nice gentle way that you can expand the palate and make room for all of the teeth. We’ve had amazing results with, with my 7-year-old.

But we’re still having to go through those steps. So you can know what Weston A. Price discovered. You can know what nutrients are involved with the development of the palate, and dental health, and all of that. And you can still have to deal with it on the back end. So there’s no if this, then that. We all have very individual needs. Individual issues. Individual backgrounds. That are going to inform the health of our mouths and our bodies. 

So I sort of got a little bit lost there. I apologize. But my point is, it may be that I grasped the importance of dental health promoting nutrition a little bit too late to correct all of my issues, but it can certainly do something. And the knowledge is; it’s good to just have that image in your mind. Knowing that all of these different inputs impact dental health. 

So, revolutionizing your understanding of dental health can be really earth shattering and not always in a good way. There’s just so much to learn and unlearn. And it’s not as simple as; find a good holistic dentist and do whatever they say. When you start to realize that there’s more to it than just; brush with fluoride and everything else is out of your hands. Go to the dentist, and everything else the dentist will take care of.

When you start to realize there is so much more to dental health and the health of the oral microbiome and how the health of your mouth can be sort of representative of the health of your entire system; it’s overwhelming. And you want to figure out what to do. And I think one of the first instincts is often find that good integrative holistic dentist and whatever path they put you on is a better path than you were on before. 

And that might be true; but the problem is, not all biological and holistic dentists are the same. There’s no one set of principles or rules or even treatments that all of them use. Or even a central repository for the definitions of half of these treatments that some of them are using. So that’s a journey in itself.

And beyond that, just finding what’s feasible and workable for you based on your individual factors is a lot. So I personally; I’ve tried oil pulling. This saliva swishing thing that’s really disgusting, using essential oils and ozonated oils and clay based fluoride free toothpastes and ozone rinses, and different brushing techniques, and who knows sometimes which is making an impact, and what is just completely superfluous? 

Again, I can’t tell you what you need to do. But let me just tell you what I try to be accountable to. What I think is probably a good balance for me. Although, some nights I’m lucky if I brush and even luckier if I floss. And I know that’s bad; we all have our things. I am working on it. And I’m also working on not feeling like I have to do 17 different things to make an impact. If I’m really bringing it back to basics, I know; like that dentist said 17 years ago on the local news show. If I do nothing else, I better be flossing.

Ok, so. In addition to trying to keep certain nutrients flowing in that are supposed to be beneficial for dental health. And now, another tangent. This is controversial as well. I follow multiple scientists and researchers who talk about several different approaches to wellness. And for example, there’s a whole subset of people in the sort of pro-metabolic field that sort of say that if your metabolism is working properly, everything should sort of fall into place. 

And one of the things the sort of Ray Peat crowd like to talk about is that polyunsaturated fats are never a good idea. And then there’s this whole other crowd that talk about things like cod liver oil, which is high in polyunsaturated fats are really, really important to dental health. So I don’t know that anybody out there has really reconciled all of these things. So I straddle both of those worlds. I really love the Ray Peat, pro-metabolic stuff. I use red light, for example. And I have gained a lot from that faction. And I’ve also gained a lot from the other side. 

So I’m still not entirely sure what is 100% true for me. But I do think both make compelling arguments. So I do try and keep the vitamins and the nutrients flowing in; the things that are supposed to be good for dental health. One of the things I wish I did more was red light for the mouth. That’s just a little bit of a tough prospect, unless I get something that I can actually pop into my mouth and use it that way. Which I don’t have yet. Out of all the other red light stuff I have, I don’t have anything like that. 

But other than that, actual sort of topical, direct, dental care. Here’s what I do. And this is sort of in order. I’ve been hearing lately that you should always floss and/or Waterpik first. So I’m going to start with that, and then we’ll sort of run down the list of things that I do. Or would do on a good day. 

Ok, so first would be floss and/or waterpik. And I was just talking to my dentist about this. And was sort of asking; I thought the floss and waterpik were basically the same. Again; this stuff, it would be really easy for me to figure this stuff out for myself. But for some reason, I just never thought to look into; what’s the difference between floss and waterpik? I kind of thought they were the same. Or did the same thing. Only the waterpik did what floss does, just with water. 

Unfortunately, that’s not necessarily the case. The waterpik, I believe, what my dentist told me is more geared towards removing plaque, whereas floss is meant to disrupt those anaerobic bacteria that get up there in your teeth and along your gumline. So on a good day, I would do floss, and waterpik. On a less good day I would do floss. On a really not good day, I wouldn’t do either, but we won’t talk about that. And one of the things I’ve actually done with the waterpik, which I was really trying to be extreme with it. And it really wasn’t sustainable. Was actually waterpiking with ozone water. 

Now; this is not something that most people could do. And I’ll talk about this when I talk about my biohacking alter ego. But we have a medical ozone generator at our house. In fact, we have two. And part of that is because I love gadgets; especially gadgets with a broad spectrum effect. Ozone, to me, is a little bit like red light in that it’s sort of broadly applicable and broadly beneficial. But I do not expect people to have ozone machines in their homes. Basically what we have is pretty much the same brand that most dentists have who practice ozone dentistry. Or who use ozone in their dental practice. I basically have that ozone machine. And it’s wonderful, and I love it. But it’s totally one of those nerding out, dorky purchases that I made and have a lot of fun with.

But ozone, it kills bad bacteria, basically, while leaving all of the important tissues and all of the surrounding good bugs intact. So ozone is a really, really amazing substance. My dentist uses it in her office. And one of the things I recommend is finding a dentist that uses ozone. Because often times, that’s sort of a hint to their overall philosophy.

So, floss and/or waterpik. And then next up would be brushing. I know many of us have been uncomfortable with fluoride for a long time. Not just fluoride in the water supply; but also fluoride in toothpaste. And I don’t really want to get into the science around why fluoride might not be a great choice, or why it’s sort of suspect, or why the concerns around it are valid. because I believe that they are. What I think is more important, or what was more important for me, was knowing that it’s not safe for kids to swallow. And I just couldn’t wrap my head around figuring out how to brush my kid’s teeth without having to worry about how much they were ingesting.

When I started worrying about this six, five years ago. Five and a half years ago, when my daughter had all her teeth. It was a no-brainer that we were not going to use fluoride toothpaste. However, at the time there were not a whole lot of options for calcium nanohydroxyapatite toothpaste. Calcium nanohydroxyapatite or hydroxyapatite or calcium hydroxyapatite; it’s called a couple of different things; it’s an alternative to fluoride that is very effective at remineralization. Does many of the things fluoride does; some of them better. And has actually been studied to be effective. So it’s kind of a science-y thing. 

At the time, when I was looking for a safer toothpaste, I actually felt like I needed a good fluoride alternative. Not just a toothpaste without fluoride. Because I was remembering my childhood dental problems, and just thinking; I really wanted some kind of remineralizing toothpaste that did some of the same things as fluoride, and some better, rather than just opting for something that was just fluoride free. So that was important to me. 

And at the time, there were not a whole lot of options for calcium nanohydroxyapatite toothpaste. At the time, I had to order this brand, Apagard. It’s a Japanese brand, off of Amazon. So I started doing that, both for my daughter; now my second daughter, and myself and my husband. And I’d been ordering that for many years.

Over the last couple of years, other brands have come up with their own hydroxyapatite toothpaste. Which is awesome. So I just ordered Wellnesse; which is Wellness Mama’s brand, I believe. And we’re going to start using that. I’ll let you know how it goes. My one concern with Apagard was that it does contain glycerin, which some people argue prevents the remineralization process.

Now, I don’t know that it totally prevents the remineralization process, because I know a lot of people, including us, have seen great benefits from using the Apagard hydroxyapatite toothpaste. My teeth are less sensitive. We’ve experienced some remineralization over time. So I do think it works. But I also think the concerns around glycerin are valid. So I’m excited to try something that contains hydroxyapatite but not glycerin. 

So the reason I started choosing that for my kids was because not only was it comparable to fluoride, but it also was safe to swallow. I can’t; my 7-year-old still swallows her toothpaste sometimes. So I really felt like that was our best option. And that’s something that I’ve recommended to people for a really long time. A hydroxyapatite toothpaste. 

Now, something that I think is a little bit interesting that might be relevant and it might not, is that what has been studied scientifically, from what I can find, is nanohydroxyapatite. Now, from my understanding, I think most nanohydroxyapatite is synthetic. I don’t know that there are any well articulated downsides to synthetic nanohydroxyapatite. However; I understand that there are people who want to completely avoid synthetics. So other toothpastes, mainly the ones circulating in the holistic world, might not be nanohydroxyapatite. They might be just hydroxyapatite. And I don’t have a line on the differences; whether one works better than the other. Whether they both work reasonably well, or basically the same. But that might be something to think about. 

I personally was fine with using nanohydroxyapatite when it was the only thing available. And now I’m going to try something else, and we’ll see if the hydroxyapatite from Wellnesse works better than the nanohydroxyapatite from Apagard, or if there’s no difference at all. In which case; great. I’m going with the Wellnesse. So that might be something to look for. Just because something hasn’t been studied, like the hydroxyapatite maybe not having been studied as extensively as the nanohydroxyapatite might not make a difference at all.

How many times can I say nanohydroxyapatite in one podcast? 

Ok. So as I said. Brushing; I use a regular toothbrush with hydroxyapatite toothpaste. And then, on a really, really good day, I will add another step. I will use the bass brush from Orawellness with the Orawellness oil brushing blend. So this is not the same as oil pulling. I tried oil pulling for a long time, and I just found it disgusting. If you don’t know what it is, Google it and then don’t do it. Because it’s gross.

But the Orawellness brushing blend is like a carrier oil with some essential oils that smell and taste really good. I don’t know if it’s taste. But the taste in my mouth, and what the actual; the way it makes my mouth feel, I really, really like. So I’ve been using the Orawellness blend with the bass brush off and on for many years. And the idea of the bass brush, and how it’s different from a regular toothbrush, is that there are fewer bristles, and also the edges of the bristles are rounded. So the point is, you put a little bit of this brushing blend on the brush, and you sort of wiggle the brush along your gumline. And it really helps remove plaque, and also stimulate gum healing. 

I had a little bit of recession going on; a little bit of irritable gums. And that takes care of it so quickly. So I really love the Orawellness blend.

Now, another thing I’ve used on my gumline, particularly around where I’ve had dental work and where I had my root canal extraction, is to use ozonate oil. It’s ozone again. I can’t; one cannot make one’s own ozonated oil with an ozone machine. And part of that is because it takes so much; I don’t know if it’s pressure, or so much ozone, or something like that. But it’s basically an explosion risk. {laughs} So you do have to order ozonated oil. 

Again; what ozone does is multifaceted. It basically helps all of your tissues work better. But in particular, it will kill bad bacteria and improve your gum health. So one of the things I’ve used when things I felt like were really not in a good place was the ozonated oil from either Living Libations or Pure O3. They have dental ozonated oils. 

Now, the Living Libations tastes better, but is much more cost prohibitive. You get a little bit more with Pure O3 for the money, I believe. But Living Libations actually tastes a lot better. I don’t love the Pure O3 dental ozonated oils. But at the same time; if you’ve got an acute need, ozonated oils are an amazing tool for dental health. But in general, I opt for the Orawellness blend with the bass brush. 

And finally, if I’m being really good, I’ll do the tongue scraping with a copper tongue scraper. I personally don’t know what type of tongue scraper is best. I just ordered one that came in a multipack, and went from there. 

So that’s basically the end of my oral care routine, if I’m being really good. If I’m not being so good; floss, scrape the tongue. Floss, brush. These things don’t always happen on the same night. But I do try to be semi accountable to doing all of them a couple of times, at least, within a week.

And my mouth is doing a lot better than it used to. I have much better dental checkups now. And I’m happy for that. 

Now I don’t currently use a mouthwash, but I’m always open to suggestions on that. There have been times when we’ve made ozonated water, where I will use that to swish with. But ozonated water almost has to be used pretty much immediately or within 24 hours, so that ends up being sort of a slog. Plus, having the ozone machine out on your countertop in your kitchen all the time can really weird people out. So in general, we just use that ozone generator when we have an acute need. 

Ok. So I’ll hop into talking a little bit about ozone; or a little bit more about ozone, as it pertains to my alter ego as a biohacker. I swear, if I wasn’t a mom trying to generate; {laughs}. Generate; excuse me. Trying to juggle 17 different things at once; if I could really focus, I would probably be much more of a biohacker type. And by that I mean somebody who uses the best of science to expand, extend, regenerate, rejuvenate all of my bodily tissues and live until I was 150 years old.

So the ozone generator; ozone can kill bacteria while protecting healthy cells. It promotes the; I’m going to use the wrong words here. But it basically promotes the induction of the Krebs cycle, so it’s also benefiting you at a cellular level by boosting that production of ATP. Which is something; again, red light also does. Although, by different means. 

So with both of those things; ozone and red light, you boost cellular function. You literally boost everything good. And I really like that. And I also like that you can use them on a daily basis, or you can use them when you have an acute need. 

So one of the cool things, in fact, about red light as far as talking about acute needs go. And also talking about red light can do for your dental health, and why I need to get my little biohacker mouth red light tool, is that red light can actually enhance the effects of dental appliances. So if you have braces, using red light will actually help the braces work more quickly. That type of thing. Which I think is really cool.

So my daughter, again, has the ALF device, and I wonder if a little bit of red light would actually boost it’s action. So I love that too. 

So I guess you could call me maybe a semi-committed, low-discipline, as needed biohacker girl. But I don’t think that’s a very good alter ego name. So, again, I’m taking suggestion for what my biohacker alter ego should be called. Let me know. 

Ok, I don’t have much of an overshare this week except to say; I am so done with winter and virus season. Our pediatrician, who is amazing, was telling me the other day that her; I can’t remember if it was a mentor or a colleague of hers, who has been a pediatrician for more than 30 years, said that this year has been the worst viral season that we have seen in 30 years. And I do not doubt that for a second. I know that there are habits that we have fallen into, or ruts that we have fallen into, with nutrition and food and lifestyle that we need to work on. But at the same time, what we’ve done over the course of this year has not been that different than what we’ve done over the course of the last 3 years. And yet, this season was so, so, so much worse than anything I’ve ever been through. 

And my daughter has been in indoor educational groups multiple days a week for 5 to 7 hours at a time since she was 3. Since she was 2, actually. So, just the fact that she’s in school fulltime this year; I’m not sure that that really explains it. Because the school she’s in now is no bigger than the school she’s been in in the past. Or the peer group size that she’s been with in the past. 

So whatever it is; and I’m sure many people would love to speculate. One of the things that I have thought about so much over the last couple of weeks and months is just the fact that constant information being sent to the immune system is so important. I truly don’t think that we can really believe that our extreme focus on hygiene and prevention; which, double edged sword, right? Maybe there was no other way to go about it over the last two years. But at the same time, two things can be true at once. That could have been necessary on one level, but also incredibly damaging on another level. Or, what have you.

So what I’m realizing is there truly does need to be a sort of constant level of information and communication between the outside world and the immune system. It’s not like every once in a while you need to be sick. Or every once in a while, you need to go outside to make sure you’re stimulating your immune system. I really think it must be a constant level of cross talk and communication between the outside world and our and our children’s internal landscapes. And I’m going to really try and be accountable to that for the future, and make sure that there is opportunity for that type of communication.

And here’s another thing; I was talking to my husband about this. Our sweet dog passed away this year. And I know, scientifically, that households with pets that basically drag in the outside to the inside, you end up with healthier kids as far as certain things like allergies and whatnot. So I was talking to my husband, and I was like; you know, we probably shouldn’t be without a dog for that long. But you guys; I’m not ready to get another dog. I’m just not ready. He was the dog; our dog Cal was the dog of a lifetime. And I just don’t know. But at the same time, it’s sort of a health thing. So I guess I have to let him get a puppy at some point. 

Well that’s another tangent. Ok folks. I think we’re done for the day. A big thank you to Arrowhead Mills for making this episode possible. I hope you enjoyed it. Please keep sharing this podcast with your friends, family, and Instagram feed. And give me a tag in your screenshot. I love to see and share who is listening. And I appreciate you. Thank you so much for listening. That’s it for now. I’ll see you next week.

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