Balanced Bites Podcast Episode #202: Detoxes and cleanses, web-based nutrition coaching, & digestive healing post-eating disorder

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1. What’s new for you from Diane & Liz [2:14]
2. Something new that I’m into [17:59]
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3. Digestion issues after eating disorder [24:11]
4. Gallbladder cleanse and cleansing detoxes [34:31]
5. Web-based nutrition coaching questions [42:47]
6. #Treatyoself [56:55]
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You’re listening to the Balanced Bites podcast episode 202.
Welcome to the Balanced Bites podcast with Diane Sanfilippo and Liz Wolfe. Diane is a certified nutrition consultant, and the New York Times bestselling author of Practical Paleo, The 21-Day Sugar Detox, and co-author of Mediterranean Paleo Cooking. Liz is a nutritional therapy practitioner, and the best-selling author of Eat the Yolks and The Purely Primal Skincare Guide. Together, Diane and Liz answer your questions, interview leading health and wellness experts, and share their take on modern paleo living with their friendly and balanced approach. Remember our disclaimer: The materials and content within this podcast are intended as general information only, and are not to be considered a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment.
Liz Wolfe: Hey everyone! Liz here, Diane over there.
Diane Sanfilippo: Hey.
Liz Wolfe: Hey. Is this one of your last episodes while you’re still in New Jersey?
Diane Sanfilippo: I think so. I think for one that you and I are recording together, at least. Crazy!
Liz Wolfe: Life moves pretty fast.
Diane Sanfilippo: And it also seems to move backwards {laughs} in a way, right. We started this I was living there.
Liz Wolfe: That’s crazy.
Diane Sanfilippo: That is crazy.
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Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm.
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1. What’s new for you from Diane & Liz [2:14]
Liz Wolfe: Alright, so what’s up with you Diane?
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok, a couple of things I want to tell people about. I’m pretty excited. The business podcast that I started; I actually started it at the end of last year, but in the last month or so I’ve been really consistent with it, which is something I talk about a lot, because I notice that, we notice that we’ve been doing this show for about 4 years, which just kind of blows both of our minds.
Liz Wolfe: Mm-hmm.
Diane Sanfilippo: But I recently went back and looked at some stuff that Marie Forleo was doing, looking at all her videos to see when she started, and it was about 4 years ago, and I was like, you know what, I’m really proud of us for doing this thing every week for 4 years. I think we’ve missed not even 5, I’m sure, weeks. So it’s pretty crazy, I was really impressed with us and really excited about that, because I just don’t think I’ve been that consistent about anything in the past 4 years other than that.
So anyway, it kind of motivated me to get going on the business podcast more consistently. So I’ve been doing episode; I’m promising them every Monday, but I’ve been doing them Monday and Wednesday because they’re short, they’re usually under 25 minutes. So if you guys are entrepreneurs and you have a business or you want to start blogging, whatever your situation is, definitely go check it out. It’s been ranking really well, so that’s also keeping me motivated, so you guys who are listening, please just drop a review it helps the rankings and all that stuff, but I also love to hear from you so come over to the Facebook group we have for Build a Badass Business, and join the conversation. But I wanted to tell everyone on this show, because I know tons of listeners who are already tuning into that show are listeners of this podcast, so I know they’re really enjoying it. It’s just another way you can hear me kind of talking to you, almost like a friend, just giving advice. It’s my way to share some insights and tips and all that good stuff. So there’s that.
Liz Wolfe: Are you there, Diane? It’s me, Liz.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Exactly. Also, Practical Paleo is back at Costco, all stores in the US, so if you are a Costco member, you can also get Mediterranean Paleo Cooking as well and I believe a couple of other paleo books. So if you’ve been kind of stalking it and wondering when you can get stock up for friends and family, this is a great time. I think it’s $23.99, so it’s pretty much the lowest price you’ll ever find it in stores. I believe Amazon still has it a little bit lower, but if you’re not a Prime member where we get free shipping, if you have Amazon Prime, which I do and I probably order way too much stuff from there, but you can get it for $23.99 at all US Costco stores. Don’t forget I have a shopping list for US and Canada Costco stores from my emailing list, so hop on there to grab that.
The other update I guess, or just thing I want to remind people about. If you’re on my emailing list, you’ve already seen this, and if you’re actually seeing what I’m posting on Facebook, you’ve seen this, but that’s like 5 people now. So, my friend’s Mira and Jayson Calton have a new book coming out, the Micronutrient Miracle, and I’ll be interviewing them… well actually I already interviewed them, but the episode will air in another, I think it’s going to air after this one. So we talked about this really big promotion they have going on for the book, and it’s really kind of genius. I’ve never seen anything like it before. A lot of times there are contests and giveaways where you have to enter, obviously, and you’re amongst many people entering and only a handful will win.
But one thing they’re doing with this book is, they contacted all these real food companies; actually Vital Choice, one of our awesome sponsors, is a part of it, and a bunch of other food companies that we love and talk about all the time. They’re giving gift certificates; like, as cash gift certificates, not you need to spend X amount to use it. It’s just a flat out gift certificate. Some of them are $50, some of them are $25, for these food companies.
I know Vital Choice kicked in a $50 gift certificate; US Wellness, I know Kasandrinos did a $25 one. Because, you know, obviously some of the food is more expensive than others, so they did one that you could actually get something with that amount. So I’m just super excited about it, because I was like, I need to tell my mom to go do this, and all of my friends. Basically, all you have to do is grab a copy of their book, obviously they want people to grab the book, check it out, read the content. And you can do it either kindle or the print version, and the book is less than $20. So for less than $20 you’re going to get back over $200 in gift certificates to these companies.
I know it seems crazy and it seems like a gimmick, but it’s not because if you think about these companies, they’re online only, so for them to be able to reach people in this type of content. Like, if you’re interested in a book like Micronutrient Miracle, we are really learning about this stuff, then you know the value of really good, high quality food. So they want to connect with people like you so that they can introduce you to their products. Because, obviously like you and I Liz, we love so many of these companies, once we start eating them we’re like, these are awesome, this is our source.
Liz Wolfe: Mm-hmm.
Diane Sanfilippo: So, I think it’s awesome. I thought it was an amazing idea on Mira and Jayson’s part because it’s just like, I’ve never seen anybody do that before, and they allowed these companies to kind of get in on it. So you can hop onto the show notes for this episode, I think this will be episode 202, and get a link where you can check out all the details for that. I also have a blog post about it. Hey, do it or don’t, I just want you guys to know about it because it’s basically like free money. So, take it. So there you go.
Liz Wolfe: People have; I’ve even used this expression before, giveaway fatigue and bundle fatigue.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.
Liz Wolfe: I’m like, why are people getting tired of having things that are cheap and free?
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} I know.
Liz Wolfe: Why.
Diane Sanfilippo: I just, I think sometimes people assume that it’s not really of the value.
Liz Wolfe: Mm-hmm.
Diane Sanfilippo: That we say, but you and I are really sensitive to that stuff. We are not going to tell our listeners or our readers about something if it’s not awesome, because people come at us literally every single day there’s something in my email box, if not 10 things, of something somebody wants us to promote, and we’re like, no, I’m good. {laughs} I don’t need to tell my people about that. But honestly, when you get to a point where you do find out about something awesome, and you’re like, I can’t not tell you because then you’ll be upset next week when it’s not there that you missed out on it. So this is one of those awesome things, and I think it’s actually valid through the end of August; like, any book you might buy through the end of August. I’m sure it’s one per customer, you can’t just go racking up thousands of dollars of the coupons, but it’s through the end of August, so you can grab the book. So you can check out the details on my blog post. But I thought that was pretty awesome. Tell your parents, tell your friends, Liz, tell them all to get in on it. It’s great!
Liz Wolfe: {laughs} Tell your kids, tell your wife.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, exactly. So what’s’ up with you?
Diane Sanfilippo: Ooh, uh-huh.
Liz Wolfe: But that’s kind of part of the fun of it. So what this is, and I’m not trying to hide this at all. This is an extremely high end product. I mean, this was kind of one of those things where it’s like…
Diane Sanfilippo: Serums tend to be like that, right?
Liz Wolfe: Oh yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: They’re very concentrated and fancy {laughs}.
Liz Wolfe: I mean, you can get really fancy. You can do a pretty basic serum with rosehips seed oil and neroli or one or two essential oils.
Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know, but… {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I can’t wait to try it.
Liz Wolfe: Oh yeah, you’re going to love it. This is totally up your alley. So the reason we wanted to do a vitamin C rich serum is because vitamin C is a really potent antioxidant, and all of these vitamin C rich oils and extracts that we’re using also have a ton of other complimentary antioxidants and constituents that are also going to be really, really good for the skin. Plus it’s totally natural.
So there are a lot of different ways that you can use vitamin C for skin care, and I’m hoping to tackle a couple of those in the skin care line that I’m working on, but that’s pretty far in the future. This is just completely one of a kind. This is a totally out of this world thing.
Diane Sanfilippo: So what are a couple of things that people who, if they’re like, I don’t know if that’s going to be right for me. Because I’m sure there are lots of, especially women listening, who already use some serums that are vitamin C serums so they’ll know this is probably going to be better and they want to use something natural so they would grab it, but for someone who’s listening who’s like I don’t; and this is the first time I’m even asking Liz about this, you guys, so I don’t even know what the answers are {laughs}. But what would some issues they’d be having with their skin be that if they try this, it’s something that usually vitamin C is really beneficial for.
Liz Wolfe: So a lot of what vitamin C is usually used for, and most of the skin care products you would find, you’re not actually getting the whole complex of vitamin C, like you find in, for example, acerola. I probably just butchered that word.
Diane Sanfilippo: I think that sounds right.
Liz Wolfe: It’s one of the extracts that we’re using in the product. But usually vitamin C has l-ascorbic acid, which is actually great. It’s a great, fairly inexpensive compound that’s actually more useful because of its acidity. It can help the skin turn over. It’s almost like a mini peel that you use almost every single day. So it’s not so much that you’re using the ascorbic acid for its antioxidant benefit or anything like that; you’re more using it for its ability to kind of help your skin, I don’t know, shed on schedule. That’s kind of how I look at it. Some folks, we just get a muddy, muddled complexion.
Diane Sanfilippo: I get that.
Liz Wolfe: You know what I’m saying?
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, I get that.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah, so a lot of times you’ll see folks using vitamin C serums for that type of thing. And I love that, I think it’s great, I think it’s super safe, and a good idea as long as you’ve got stabilizers in there that are going to keep the vitamin C, or the l-ascorbic acid from degrading too quickly. So what I would be looking at is, you probably have 30 days that you would need to use your vitamin C, your ascorbic acid type products before the ascorbic acid becomes virtually useless. So, when you’re dealing with something like that, not only do you have a shelf life, you don’t know how long it’s been sitting on the shelf, and then you pick it up, and then you’ve got, I don’t know, 2 weeks to 30 days to use it for maximum benefit.
This is totally whole foods based type product, so what you’re actually getting the benefit of is more the antioxidants than anything. So you’re not creating an acidic peel or anything like that on your skin, so you can still use your toners, like your apple cider vinegar based toners, those types of things. And the way I’ve looked at it, and what’s really been effective for me is, it makes my skin kind of dewy and a little bit more supple looking. And obviously, we can’t run a controlled clinical trial on a vitamin C serum for the paleo community.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: So we’re kind of relying on personal feedback from what we know these antioxidants can do. But for me personally, I think it’s got a really powerful, kind of renewing force to it. My skin just seems a little bit lighter, more dewy, more supple. Antiaging, I hate that word because I don’t think aging is a bad thing, but you know, it’s one of those things where…
Diane Sanfilippo: I like that word, because I would like to not be aging.
Liz Wolfe: I know. I would like to not b e aging prematurely. {laughs} When I’m like 90….
Diane Sanfilippo: You just had a baby so that’s usually the {laughs} accelerator.
Liz Wolfe: So my personal sample size is a little bit different; that’s why I’m so obsessed with this, I think, because I think it has really saved my skin from a lot of just the stress.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. You look rested, despite the fact that I know you’re not as rested as you look.
Liz Wolfe: I haven’t gotten more than 2.5 hours of sleep in at least 4 months. In a row.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. That’s crazy.
Liz Wolfe: I wake up constantly. And we’re working on that now, too. I mean, you know, sleep thing, that’s not a permanent thing. But I almost have been kind of stunned at how good my skin looks. And I can’t, maybe I’m just handling the postpartum hormones really well, and it’s helping my skin in that way, as well, but I almost don’t even feel the need to wear any kind of makeup when I leave the house. You know sometimes you’ll dab a little something underneath your eyes, or whatever.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.
Liz Wolfe: If you’re going to, I don’t know, to a meet up event or whatever.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. Well, if I’m going to be in front of a lot of people, it’s more than a dab under the eyes, but.
Liz Wolfe: A dab will do you.
Diane Sanfilippo: I’ll put a dab under the eyes for the grocery store, what are you talking about.
Liz Wolfe: I mean, you know.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.
Liz Wolfe: So it’s pretty powerful. And it’s oil based, so that’s another thing that people are going to want to be aware of. A lot of people, some people prefer to steer clear of the oils because they feel like it’s going to make their skin a little oiler. I can promise you, that is not the case. Oily skin actually tends to benefit quite a bit from oil based products. But you can check out the base oils, and the essential oils, and the extracts that we use at It’s one of those things, I just want people to try it.
Diane Sanfilippo: Awesome. I can’t wait.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah, you’re going to love it.
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2. Something new that I’m into [17:59]
Liz Wolfe: Alright, so our next segment. We’ve got some new things that we’re into lately.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. So, I’ll tell folks what I’ve been into lately. I have posted a whole bunch over on Instagram about this health fruit slushy I’ve been making, which I think I talked about the slushy before on the show, I can’t remember. I’m not going to ask you to remember.
Liz Wolfe: {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}
Liz Wolfe: Thank you.
Diane Sanfilippo: But, if you haven’t seen that, just hop over to the blog. It’s a healthy fruit slushy, you can search for that somehow. It’s pretty much frozen fruit, some water, ice, some citrus, so I always do lemon or lime or both, and lately what I’ve been doing is putting my Nutreince powder, which is a multivitamin, in it. And I’m not going to tell you a whole bunch about that because we’ve been talking about products a whole bunch today, but I’m definitely into it, and I’m definitely into the fruit slushy with mostly just berries. I tried it with mango and it just jacked up my blood sugar, it was not good for me.
I’ve been doing the Nutreince in there; I like the kind of sourness that the vitamin adds; the vitamin really has almost no taste to it, but people ask us this all the time. We’ve probably answered this question a million times on the show about multivitamins, and I’m not a huge vitamin person. I don’t remember to take supplements a lot, but I really want to give this an honest shot, I want to try it for at least few months, because I also know that vitamin and mineral deficiency just run deep, if you have them.
Liz Wolfe: Mm-hmm.
Diane Sanfilippo: It’s not going to go away in a week or even a month, and one of the things I like about this supplement, first of all I know the people who developed it, and I like them and I trust them. That’s part of what we all go through when we’re picking things we’re going to buy. If somebody wants to buy your serum, it’s because they know, like, and trust you, and we take that very seriously.
Liz Wolfe: Yes.
Diane Sanfilippo: I know that Mira and Jayson do, as well. Anyway, the vitamin, a couple of things about it that I really like is that it’s a powder. I don’t like swallowing a ton of capsules, and if you go to take a multivitamin that’s very well formulated, generally it’s pretty big because it’s including a lot of minerals and it will be either large capsules, or like 10 of them. So this is a powder and you can mix it into water, or you can mix it into something like a shake. But it also doesn’t have 5000 times the RDA of everything that you need; it essentially brings you to about 100% on everything for the day, or maybe a little bit more than that. I can’t actually remember the numbers but I know it’s not; their intention is not to blow you out of the water with every nutrient, it’s to give you the right form and a good amount.
Which, I don’t believe in sensational, take one million milligrams of vitamin C every day. It’s like, I want everything all the time in balance, and that was something too coming through nutrition school. One of my teachers, I guess, I don’t even know what you call them {laughs}, one of my teachers, she was like, you’re body needs everything all the time. That was one of the things she always said. Probably one of her 5 mantras, and that was one of them. It definitely resonates with me when I’m taking this. I just feel like, you know what, my body needs everything all the time.
Right now my pre-wedding thing that I’m doing, which you know I’ve done this multiple times before, is a little bit of a cyclic ketogenic diet. It’s not a diet in the sense that I’m limiting my calories, or anything like that, I eat a boat ton of food all the time {laughs} but what I do and what works for me is that 5 or 5.5 days a week I’m eating pretty low carb, and then on the weekend I do tend to eat more carbs to kind of replenish so that I can kick off the week and get some good workouts in with those carbs in my system. But recognizing that there are a lot of vitamins and minerals that I don’t get if I’m not eating all of those vegetables that I normally would. So I just want to see how this works for me. I’m not telling anyone it’s magical or whatever; I’m trying it, and that’s what I’ve been into lately.
How about you. What are you into lately?
Liz Wolfe: Ok, so I’m into tart cherry juice concentrate.
Diane Sanfilippo: That sounds delicious.
Liz Wolfe: Which is actually incredibly delicious. So, I guess a colleague or an acquaintance of mine, Genève from Mama Natural, who is one of my favorite people. She’s just really, really awesome. She had a post on her blog about tart cherry juice helping with children’s sleep. And it’s really, really interesting this proposed mechanism that she talks about, so any mom’s that are interested in helping their babes sleep a little bit better at night; we’ll have this post in the show notes, about tart cherry juice for sleep. I thought, why not. I’ll just give it a try. All else fails, I had some pretty antioxidant dense tart cherry juice, no big deal.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.
Liz Wolfe: I have nothing to compare it to necessarily, because my little one has always fallen asleep pretty quickly. Now, the conditions that she requires to fall asleep, that’s a whole nother story {laughs} which I won’t even get into right now. But she does fall asleep fairly quickly, but she sleeps fairly well and I could potentially say this tart cherry juice thing is what has helped through my breast milk.
Diane Sanfilippo: I was going to say, is she drinking it or are you? You’re drinking it.
Liz Wolfe: No, yeah. {laughs} I’m not giving my kid juice yet. So I’m drinking the tart cherry juice, and theoretically it could be, I guess, upregulating certain nutrients that are in my breast milk that could maybe help her sleep. Anyway, it’s just kind of interesting. I haven’t hated it; I like the flavor of it so it’s all good. It’s Mama Natural’s tart cherry juice for sleep go check that out.
Diane Sanfilippo: Is it supposed to help adults and kids or just kids?
Liz Wolfe: I’m sure it could help adults, I don’t know. I have no idea. I think her original post was for her kids, so she was actually giving the juice concentrate in a smoothie to her kids that were a little older.
Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm. Interesting.
Liz Wolfe: But I don’t know.
Diane Sanfilippo: Cool.
Liz Wolfe: You never know. You just have to play with stuff, you know? You never know.
3. Digestion issues after eating disorder [24:11]
Liz Wolfe: Alright, on to questions?
Diane Sanfilippo: Yep.
Liz Wolfe: Okie doke. This one is from Kelsey. “Hi Diane and Liz. I’ve listened to literally every episode, and have even gone back to relisten to a few, and I just wanted some more advice on my situation. Before delving into that, I wanted to say this is one of my favorite podcasts, and I support both of you wholeheartedly. I have both of your books, and I just wanted to say how grateful I am I found you because I’ve learned so much. So, I’m turning 24 next month in August, 5’6”, and 123 or so pounds. I used to be severely bulimic in college, and unfortunately relapse from time to time still. My last relapse was 2 months ago. I have a much healthier relationship with food now that I’m paleo, but sometimes it just happens.
I was purging up food on and off for 5 years, and now I’ve recovered for the most part with a healthy lifestyle and a more positive outlook. That being said, I obviously have wreaked havoc on my digestion and health overall, and I find that I most likely have GERD since I bloat up with gas from a majority of food. I know for a fact I have immense, painful bloating when I eat out, especially with Mexican food, or Ethiopian, or even Mediterranean, my favorite. I have to avoid all fried food, sometime garlic, sometimes avocado, dates, any chips, basically anything with too many carbs. I don’t really know how to write an accurate list, because sometimes I’ll be ok, and sometimes I’ll have overwhelming gas that I’ll have to belch all of it out. It’s like my body reacts to the same foods differently on different days. This is why I try to eat slowly and clean, no seed oils or processed foods. But for instance, I absolutely cannot live without watermelon, though it also gives me bad gas and bloating. I don’t really want to call it gas, because it really just feels like trapped air in my esophagus and stomach. I do overeat a little, which I know doesn’t help. I was thinking perhaps I should go do an EGD exam, and try a low FODMAP diet.
I also have had severe breakouts in the past, which I’m now striving to treat holistically with health and nutrition. So far, all my cysts are gone but I do have clogged pores and milia on the sides of my face and chin. I also have had chicken skin on my arms my whole life, and just started the Green Pastures cod liver oil/butter oil blend. I know if my digestion is poor, all these super foods and nutrients I am eating will not be absorbed. I’d love to hear your advice.” Me or you?
Diane Sanfilippo: Whatever you want to do first. I’m happy to have you take this one and I can kick in some notes.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah, let’s tag team this one. So I’m going to kind of back up and say this is definitely one of those situations where you need to find a practitioner to work with, preferably somebody that has experience working with people recovering from eating disorders, and someone that works in the holistic field, who has some good recommendations behind them. Because two months since the last bout is not very long, and to have suffered from this actively for at least 5 years probably mean, and I’m not trying to be doom and gloom whatsoever because there is absolutely a bright light at the end of this tunnel, but you can do a really good amount of damage to your digestive system, particularly upper GI, and I’m sure just as much the lower GI tract with an issue like bulimia. So there is going to be a lot of digestive healing that is necessary here.
And I think, I don’t think it’s these particular foods that are necessarily problematic. I think it’s the state of the digestive system, probably the state of the sympathetic/parasympathetic nervous system when you’re eating, depending on where you are when you’re eating and what state of mind and physical state that you’re in when you actually sit down for a meal that would be causing these things to happen. So it’s not like, “that’s weird, avocado did this yesterday and it didn’t do it today”. It probably has a lot more to do with the resting state of your digestive system, and as a result of years of grappling with this.
I have a ton of compassion; I know a lot of people actually that have suffered from this, and are not paleo, and have no intention to go paleo, and I absolutely support a clean eating lifestyle, as long as it doesn’t kind of tip things towards orthorexia. I know sometimes these are control issues manifesting themselves in the way a person eats and a person’s relationship with food. Sometimes we just have to be really, really mindful about whether or not a person is taking the same mindset behind that behavior and applying it to something else, if that makes sense. A practitioner can really, really help with that, and I’m racking my brain for one that I know that could possibly be helpful, and I’m just not thinking of anyone right off the bat.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, it’s a really good point you just said about the reason why somebody comes to a real food/paleo type of way of eating, and even we see this sometimes with the 21-Day Sugar Detox. I generally don’t recommend that somebody takes that on if they’re still battling some issues around eating or disordered eating, because we don’t want that to be a control issue in the same way. We want it to help people and not become an enabler for the issue, or the eating disorder. I’m definitely with you.
I feel like Kelsey is just not quite out of the woods with the bulimia; two months, I agree with you, it’s really not that long ago, and we always get the hunch when we see questions like this. It’s like, in your heart and in your gut, no pun intended, you kind of know that we’re going to tell you that you need to be working with a counselor, and maybe a nutritionist, or a nutritionist like Liz was saying, who has experience with this. Maybe the paleo physician’s network or primal docs, maybe there would be a naturopath or a functional medicine practitioner who would be able to kind of bridge that gap for you, but in all seriousness, it’s probably not going to be one person. It’s probably going to need to be two people. So both somebody who would specialize in counseling for the eating disorder as well as somebody who can help with the nutrition, who understands a bit about the eating disorders or can support in that way.
But Liz, like you were saying, I think there’s a lot of damage that can be done mostly to stomach acid, stomach acid production, and the way that’s affected by that stress response that somebody is probably getting who has an eating disorder. If you’re feeling stressed around the food and for whatever reason that whole system is not set up right, you’re not set up in rest and digest mode, if your stomach acid is thrown off balance, literally everything in the chain thereafter will be off balance as well from digestive enzymes to bile to literally every chain in the process. So stomach acid working properly and being sufficient is kind of like the first step after making sure we’re in rest and digest mode to eat.
What you’re saying too where one food may affect you one day and not the next, that’s where I definitely see that being one of the issues as opposed to something else that I kind of thought of as a red flag that it might be an issue with SIBO, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, which for sure suppressed stomach acid can lead to, so if you’ don’t have enough acid in your stomach taking care of the type of bacteria that might be in the food and you end up having this bacterial overgrowth in your small intestine as opposed to really where it should only be in your large intestine, where we have the bacterial balance going on.
So, that’s something you might have this issue, but the cause of it is really back up the chain. So I think if you are looking for a practitioner who can help alongside a counselor, I think somebody who would have experience with something like SIBO so you can at least get tested for that, because if you’re trying to heal it might be nice to find out, do I have this infection, can I heal it, can I work on my digestion and the process. Go through the information in Practical Paleo, this is something we’re also covering in a lot of detail in the online workshop that’s still in production, but we’re going to walk you through all this stuff so I think that can be really helpful just to hear, ok, you have a counselor, you have a practitioner you’re working with, and then what’s the day to day like. How should I feel, how should my system be working, and what goes wrong when it’s not, and you’re kind of explaining that here.
So, you know as for steps, I would say review that part of Practical Paleo if you haven’t looked at that again about how your digestion should be working, but then also seek out a counselor and some kind of practitioner to help you get to the root of the problem and also to work on some of the emotional stuff around the eating disorder so that you can make sure that you’re moving forward, because again, 2 months is really not a long time, so I think that… you know, it’s great to say that it hasn’t happened in 2 months, and I think that’s a win. I’m not trying to diminish that at all.
Liz Wolfe: Mm-hmm.
Diane Sanfilippo: But I do think that’s not that long ago, in the grand scheme of how long it was probably going on. But yeah, that’s kind of what I’m thinking there.
Liz Wolfe: I do think it’s awesome that she’s doing the Mexican food, the Ethiopian food, the Mediterranean food.
Diane Sanfilippo: Right.
Liz Wolfe: You know, striking out and trying these things. This is an interesting thing though; I did have a friend, and this is totally just my suspicions, but a friend who struggled with bulimia who would always get sick when she would go out to eat. So it was like she would go out to eat, get something really good, really high quality, and she would always feel so bad afterwards, and I honestly think that it was, I don’t want to say entirely mental, but I think she had this really huge just fear, like she was really going out there and she was going through.
Diane Sanfilippo: The stress of it was creating a physical manifestation.
Liz Wolfe: Yes.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.
Liz Wolfe: Yes. Because she wanted to be recovered, she wanted to go out there and actually enjoy food, and go through the motions of, I’m not afraid of this food, but I think there was still a little bit of fear there. Yeah, I think mindfulness can really go a long way. It’s just really interesting how the brain and the body interact with things like this.
Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm.
4. Gallbladder cleanse and cleansing detoxes [34:31]
Liz Wolfe: Ok. This one is from Bernie. “This question is actually about a friend’s mom, more so than something I’m doing personally. She’s adopted a paleo lifestyle over the last year, but has gotten a little crazy with it. She continues to read book after book about autoimmune disease, nightshade allergies, gallstones, cleanses, etc. I understand wanting to gobble up all the nutrition information possible because I’m the same way, but she’s taking it to a point where she thinks she has every condition that she reads about. Her current obsession is cleanses and detoxes.
I couldn’t find much that you had talked about this before, unless I didn’t look very well, totally possible, but I was curious to see what your take is on a liver cleanse, or any type of cleanse for that matter. She’s reading the book The Amazing Liver Cleanse by Andreas Morris, and is convinced she has gallstones and that everyone should do the liver cleanse. From what I read it involves drinking a liter of apple juice a day, drinking Epsom salt, and mixing grapefruit juice with olive oil.” Man, I do some weird stuff, but I don’t think I could mix grapefruit juice with olive oil.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, I’ve heard of this one before.
Liz Wolfe: “As for food, you aren’t supposed to eat anything cold as that stalls the liver cleanse, no animal food, no dairy, and no fried foods. You’re also supposed to do a colon cleanse before and after. The cleanse lasts for a total of 7 days. To me this just sounds miserable, and from what I’ve heard you and many other’s talk about, I don’t see that this would help. I feel like it would dehydrate you, and you aren’t absorbing anything you’re eating if it’s just coming out the other end. So what’s your take on this; is it total witchcraft or would it actually help? I’m also wondering what your take is on detoxes in general, and if they do have a benefit, what’s the best way to do it? I’ve never really bought into the idea of detoxes or cleanses, save from the 21-Day Sugar Detox and the Whole 30, which is kind of like a detox, but because they’re centered around eating whole food.
I’d like to provide her with better information as this book is 17 years old, and I know that nutrition is always evolving. Thanks to you ladies for all you do; I’m a huge fan of both your work and I totally feel like we’re friends who get to hang out every Thursday. I love that you make nutrition fun, and always look forward to the podcast. Thank you.”
Diane Sanfilippo: Aww, thanks. That was nice.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: So I’m going to throw out some thoughts here, because obviously I have a program that’s called the 21-Day Sugar Detox, and I called it that because I know that people get in their minds that they need to detox from sugar, but as she mentioned, obviously it’s a real whole food based program, and there are some real detoxification benefits, and truthfully what a real whole foods based program does to help your body detox is pretty different than what something like this gallbladder cleanse might do.
If you’re trying to allow your body to naturally detoxify better, eating whole food, avoiding processed stuff, avoiding sugar, avoiding alcohol, too many grains, all of that stuff, what that does is give your liver a chance to do its job better. That’s really what it is. A lot of cleanses or detoxes; you know, they might do that in other ways. I personally can’t buy into something that’s like a 3-day detox, because for most people out there, it doesn’t mean that it won’t detox you or support your body or help you, but I would rather teach somebody how to make changes in their lifestyle longer term, and inevitably in 3 weeks you can’t learn how to eat for 3 weeks and totally unlearn that.
What I mean by that is, let’s just say you have a juice cleanse. I’m really not hating on juice cleanses as much as it sounds like we always do; I’m pretty indifferent. I really don’t care; if you want to do a juice cleanse, do a juice cleanse. And that’s the other point that I’ll get to in a second. But, realistically, you do that, and after the 3 days are up, you just go back to whatever you were doing before. Right? You don’t learn something about how to choose food differently by eating something that’s given to you for 3 days. So you haven’t interacted with your environment and your food choices for a period of time to then learn something to move forward.
So that’s kind of my one thought on all these different kinds of crazy things, is that it really doesn’t teach anybody anything and what we want people to learn is how to naturally support our body in becoming healthier every single day. We don’t want it to be like, we don’t want to look at it as a diet you’re on or off. I just mentioned doing something before my wedding; the only reason I’m doing that; I’m healthy, I’m fine, I just know there are going to be pictures and I’m being vain about it, and I’m honest about that. It’s true, it’s 5 pounds, it’s not a big deal thing, it’s just, I’m fine, I’m happy where I am, I don’t really need to lose weight, but I just know how things look in pictures and I’m just being a girl. We get like that sometimes, right? We do. Anyway.
When it comes to this stuff, I honestly do want somebody to learn how to eat all the time. So that’s the one thing with cleanses and detoxes and all of that, is that they just aren’t really teaching you anything. But when it comes to something like this specifically; I’ve heard about this one for a really long time; I don’t know, I haven’t studied it. I don’t think that this specific detox or cleanse is kind of the point of the question. To me, what I’m seeing through this question is, this person is really digging into all these different things, and getting excited about it, and kind of going crazy with everything and exploring. And quite truthfully, I would just let her do that. Let her go through it. She might get excited and want to tell you about everything that she’s doing; if you can find a way to {laughs} avoid the conversation if it’s bothering you, or just don’t bring it up or don’t ask, and if she’s kind of in your face about it, just let her know, cool, that’s great, and change the subject or try not to even engage with that topic if it’s bugging you.
I think people need to explore different things, and generally what happens is, she’s not going to do this gallstone cleanse for weeks on end. It’s going to be a short lived thing and she’ll continue to move on. And you never know if she might land on paleo as an approach. When she goes through everything else and she realizes that most of the stuff that she is reading is telling her not to eat sugar, not to eat refined foods, you know, it’s going to point in this direction perhaps. But I think that’s kind of a lesson to all of us, to not get too hyper and excited, and just be running our mouths and yapping and proselytizing to everybody we meet, even about paleo. I think most of us did it in the beginning. I think you and I, Liz, probably thwarted ourselves really quickly because we started this podcast. So we were like, great, we’ll just {laughs} tell all the people who are interested what we think, instead of running to everyone we know trying to convert them or trying to get them to stop doing what they’re doing. Generally, I think her interest is better than her disinterest, you know what I mean?
Even if you don’t love what she’s doing first, or you don’t believe in it, it’s like, let her explore. It’s not hurting you, it’s probably not hurting her, and she’ll get to go through it and find what she gets to as her lifestyle, you know, on the other side of it. I think you just have to let it run its course.
Liz Wolfe: I agree.
Diane Sanfilippo: Any other thoughts on that? I don’t know, I pretty much covered it. {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: Yeah, I like the, just let her do it, thing. I mean, how long can a person do grapefruit juice and olive oil.
Diane Sanfilippo: And how many things have we tried?
Liz Wolfe: Just make sure it’s Kasandrinos olive oil.
Diane Sanfilippo: {Laughs}
Liz Wolfe: Just make sure it’s Kasandrinos olive oil is all I’m saying. It’s magical. It has magical detoxification properties.
Diane Sanfilippo: There you go. But seriously; how many things have we all tried?
Liz Wolfe: Oh yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: And maybe we haven’t all done gallbladder cleanse or whatever it is, but I just think it is honestly usually part of that journey. I mean, Liz did the Red Bull and cigarettes diet.
Liz Wolfe : For years!
Diane Sanfilippo: So, come on.
Liz Wolfe: And several different times. {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: And look how far she’s come!
Liz Wolfe: Exactly. You’ve just got to go through it. It’s like a parent watching their kid make every mistake under the sun, and you just have to keep your mouth shut. I know my parents were there.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
5. Web-based nutrition coaching questions [42:47]
Liz Wolfe: Alrighty. Let’s see. Ok, this next one is from Gretchen. Oh, by the way I totally got your package addressed to Gretchen Wieners, or from Gretchen Wieners.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}
Liz Wolfe: {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I wrote a note on the other side of it too, I think. Did you toss the box already? I was like, doodling on the box writing little movie references. Awesome.
Liz Wolfe: I have it actually sitting right here. Alright, so a little aside there. Alright, this one is from Gretchen. “Howdy! I’ve been a long time fan of the podcast and this is the second question I’ve submitted. Congrats BB podcast on 200 episodes. I’ve enjoyed every second so far; keep them coming. I’ve got an interesting question today, and I’m hoping that y’all have some insight.
I’m not currently an NTP, nor am I currently taking the program, but I’m hoping that within the next year or two I will finally sign up and inch my way towards becoming an NTP. I’ve listened to your podcasts on becoming a certified nutrition therapy practitioner, or other versions of the certification, and I’ve also done a little bit of research on my end. My concern with the legalities of practicing, because I know there are many states that are tricky, and won’t allow someone to charge for nutrition related services without being a registered dietitian. I know in my future, my husband and I will move around the US every few years ,since he’s in the marine corps and I’m hoping that at some stops along our journey, I’ll be able to consult with clients one on one legally without issue.
Here’s where my question starts to come in; one thing that has been frustrating me a lot lately is seeing friends and/or acquaintances on social media who are Beachbody coaches. I see these people soliciting themselves as Shakeology distributors and whatnot, but I also see them offering nutrition consulting and other nutrition related services. I.e., meal planning, accountability groups, etc. Is this type of service illegal, or does Beachbody know some sort of loop hole to allow their coaches to provide this type of service, regardless of the state they’re working from? It’s crazy to think that so many people that have gotten an education in holistic nutrition cannot practice, yet someone who signed up as a coach on a website is able to do it. Or perhaps they’re breaking some laws, but don’t know it, since it has become a norm within that company.
I’m not out to bust anyone that I follow for breaking any rules, it really has just caused a lot of confusion for me, since I’m doing my research on what is and is not allowed, because I eventually want to practice nutrition within the law. Can you ladies shed any insight?”
I kind of can. I mean, there’s a good and a bad to the fact that the internet is kind of the wild, wild west of doing business and nutrition advice. Because people that actually have spent the time to really help other people can put what they know up on the internet and actually help people. To be fair, there are several really popular, really bestselling nutrition programs that were put together by people who have absolutely no nutrition certifications whatsoever, they sell just fine.
So it’s kind of one of those things where, when somebody has something legit, and I’ll put the caveat, when someone has something legit and it’s not necessarily a multilevel marketing thing, which I’m not against multilevel marketing, I actually just ordered some books, some children’s books from Usborne books, and it’s a multilevel marketing system, and they are awesome. I also use essential oils that were sold to me by an MLM, and I recommend them and I think they’re great, so I’m not against MLMs; I’m against certain MLMs, that distribute information that I think is probably not the end game of nutrition and health, so I’m not a huge fan of this Beachbody thing.
But, a lot of times when stuff is working, the word spreads, people recommend it, they share the link, and then the business builds organically. So I think that’s great. However, I have observed in the last couple of years the FDA actually cracking down on internet businesses that make health claims that suggest, for example, a product or a service is in any way equivalent to a pharmaceutical. So, what’s interesting is that it really kind of depends on how visible you are.
So there’s kind of two, I’ll use essential oils as examples. There are two essential oil companies that are very, very popular. One of them has had a ton of having to work with the FDA on a lot of their distributors, the words, the language they’re using and things like that, and the other one has basically gotten away with doing all of the exact same things without having to answer to anybody FDA-wise. So the one oil company will get in trouble if one of their distributors says that this oil can help with allergies, and the other one can put up advertisements that say, take this instead of an antihistamine, and they get away with it.
So, the point is, the internet can kind of be the wild west, and it depends on if somebody is going to get caught or not. So, I would imagine if Beachbody really, really goes crazy, that somebody would crack down on them the same way certain people have gotten cracked down on for giving nutrition information without a license.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. Well, I think the difference though is that Beachbody, I mean I’m with you on some of it and some of I have a totally different view. But I don’t think they’re coaches are, they’re not talking about curing anything or talking about any ailments, you know what I mean, so they kind of stay away from that.
Liz Wolfe: I have no… but they’re giving nutrition information, right, and that’s what Steve Cooksey, the diabetic warrior, got almost shut down for it in North Carolina, right?
Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know. I don’t know exactly what they’re selling. So if I look at what she’s saying, I think a lot of them are really, they’re kind of accountability coaches, and they’re really more like, I’m here for you, and I’m going to coach you through and walk you through someone else’s program. Which, the reason I have something to say about this is that with 21-Day Sugar Detox coaches, most of the people who are coaches who are coming to the program actually are NTPs, NCs, acupuncturists, some of them are RNs or RDs, even, so lot’s of certifications, but I would say 20-30% of folks who came in just have their own experience and want to help somebody else.
So what they’re doing is just relying on the fact that we have a program that we’ve created, and all they’re doing is helping walk people through the program. We’re very clear to tell them, you’re not to tell people this is going to cure anything, or reverse anything, or heal anything but here’s what the program is and I can help you through it. It’s kind of like the Weight Watches approach. Weight Watcher’s is obviously a weight loss program, but their coaches that people work with, they’re accountability coaches essentially, and that’s really what we’re looking at here, I think. And then obviously they tack on an MLM to it, which is not something I’m doing with my program. I’m with you, whatever, to each his own.
I actually had a really interesting interaction with somebody who I know from a long time ago, and ran into her recently, and she was telling me, I think she’s probably 8-10 years older than us, so she’s probably in her mid to late 40s, and she was telling me how she drinks Shakeology every morning, and she does whatever Insanity workout, and she does all this stuff. And the way she was talking about it, she was so excited about it, and it had her so motivated.
I honestly, it’s like I almost had a change of heart a little bit about what all of that stuff does to people and what it means to people, because the people who listen to what we’re doing are the people who get a little bit militant about their food or they want everything to be perfect and they’re super worried about every ingredient. And then she’s got this totally different approach; she just wants something to help motivate her, something to get her day started in a different way, some kind of group to be accountable to or a part of or a coach to be accountable to because she doesn’t have a community for that at home, and she’s a busy mom, she has 3 kids.
So it was this totally different approach, so I’m just playing devil’s advocate and throwing it out there that I know what it’s like to be kind of on both sides of it, you know? I’ve done the coaching, one on one, where I’m like, who is this person saying they can tell you about what to eat? And at the same time I think, you know, I’m sure there are people who are overstepping their level of sort of certification and what’s maybe allowed within their state. They may not even realize it, quite frankly. And I think it is really up to the people who are certifying them, which is something that we do, just telling them, here’s the scope of what we’re doing, and here’s what’s out of scope for our program. However, if that’s a part of your practice because you have that certification, then that’s for you to handle.
So, I have to say, you may or may not know what somebody’s certifications are, they may not talk about it a lot because it may not be super relevant for them to just mention it all the time. I don’t know if people are not allowed to do meal plans at all, or if it’s just, you can’t tell somebody else what to eat if it’s relating to a health condition. I’m not sure that there’s a legal issue around me saying, hey Liz, here’s what I think you should eat for the next 2 weeks, and you can be accountable to me as a coach, versus, oh Liz you said you have this health problem, let me tell you what to eat to help your health condition. Do you know what I’m saying? I think that’s the difference, and that’s something that as you go through the NTP curriculum and you study and you do all that, you start to learn, which I did with my NC program, they tell us, here’s how to not say things.
A little bit of, eyes on your own stuff, in a way. Worry about what you’re doing, I really wouldn’t worry about what they’re doing, because if they’re doing something wrong and they’re breaking the law or they’re doing that, it can be frustrating but just keep your head focused on what you’re doing and I just kind of wouldn’t let yourself get too hung up on it, you know?
Liz Wolfe: It can be a little scary, especially starting out, so I understand why this is such a big concern. But I also think, a lot of people have seen me, I used to have an office. I used to do one on one consults at gyms, and in an office, my office with a chiropractor in New Jersey. But New Jersey is a little bit more, licensure is not required. So, when I moved to Missouri, that’s like red state. Do not practice one on one nutrition without licensure, and the only licensure that there is is the registered dietitian. So that’s one of the huge benefits of having an internet presence. Is that you can put stuff out there that you’re passionate about, like with the Purely Primal Skincare guide, or the way the 21-Day Sugar Detox started. You can put those things out there for people to find on their own, and help people that way.
I mean, one on one is great, and if that’s your passion that’s a great way to go, but the world is shaking out a little bit differently. Especially for military spouses, I would say, having an internet presence and making sure you’re distributing things that way, at least a little bit, can not only help fuel a one on one business, but it can also become a good portion of your business, and you can help a ton of people that way, too.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. So, there is a website. I don’t have a link off the top of my head, but we’ll see if we can add it to the show notes because I know we found in our research and our legal research for the Sugar Detox program, because I do, obviously, I’m working with an attorney to make sure that we have all of our contracts and disclaimers and all that good stuff to make sure everybody knows what’s on the up and up with the program. But part of it is, there’s a link where you can check out by state what the legalities are. So I do think that’s totally important and relevant to do, and then exactly what Liz said.
One of the things that I love about what we’re able to do is that the type of people who end up finding our work and helping themselves from it are self motivated, and you know, the level to which they’ll take what they’re doing for themselves, because we’ve created a program that, instead of spending thousands on help from a practitioner to start out, you can get 80% of the way just by following what you learned from Eat the Yolks or Practical Paleo or the 21-Day Sugar Detox. What you can do with your practice, you might think you can really only help people one on one to start out, but if you have some information that you want to share, if you have something that you can put into a program, you’ll help so many more people, because it will also be a lot more approachable financially for people.
A lot of times, people do have that personal responsibility .They’re like, I want to take control of my health; oh, I found this program that I think could really help me. And then they engage with it, and do it on their own. I personally love that, because I’m so inspired and psyched by people who are just that motivated to just tackle it and do it. But there is a website that you can just verify which state is which, and I would just prepare yourself to not be able to practice legally one on one, so that if you can then you have that as the upside, but if you can’t, you need to make sure you have something kind of in your back pocket.
Liz Wolfe: Yep.
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6. #Treatyoself [56:55]
Liz Wolfe: Alright, #Treatyoself.
Clip: Three words for you; Treat. Yo. Self.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: Treat yoself of the week.
Diane Sanfilippo: Treat yoself.
Liz Wolfe: Tell us something you did to treat yoself this week, using #BBPodcast. Like on Instagram.
Diane Sanfilippo: Tell me something you did to treat yoself this week.
Liz Wolfe : {laughs} Actually, we should probably be asking me to tell you one thing I did this week that was actually health for myself.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Pace yourself Liz; save others for other weeks.
Liz Wolfe: Oh man.
Diane Sanfilippo: Tell me one thing. Give me one treat yoself this week.
Liz Wolfe: Christopher Elbow, dark chocolate sea salt, pecan turtles. I like turtles.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: They’re good quality. Christopher Elbow is like a Kansas City thing.
Diane Sanfilippo: Like See’s Candy would be to San Francisco, maybe.
Liz Wolfe: No, no, no. Oh my gosh.
Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, what?
Liz Wolfe: Well, I don’t know ,See’s kind of reminds me of kind of old school, like 70s looking salt water taffy, am I wrong?
Diane Sanfilippo: Me too, I’ve never eaten it so I don’t know.
Liz Wolfe: Ok, so Christopher Elbow has these beautiful, they look like hand painted artisan chocolates.
Diane Sanfilippo: I’m going to Google it right now.
Liz Wolfe: They’re gorgeous. They have rosemary sage; these beautiful chocolates. And there are these…
Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, those look good.
Liz Wolfe: They’re gorgeous. They are these tiny little delicate, delicious chocolates. And of course, those are not the ones I like. They also have these giant…
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: Ball-honking huge, bigger than the Sacajawea coin, you know, these are big giant dark chocolate sea salt caramels. And they don’t use any weird or wonky ingredients, so every time I’m at the roastery, I pick up a couple Christopher Elbow chocolates. And I try to pace myself; I’ll cut them in half and then I’ll eat both halves. {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I have done that my entire life with everything sweet. I used to twist an Oreo open, and evenly distribute the feeling and try and make it last longer. Yeah.
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